Yeah, totally agree. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. Pete Briscoes father, Stuart Briscoe, who I loved dearly, hes not in good health, I wish he was, I wish he could hear this and Id wish him well. I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. I totally agree with you Julie on how I viewed the Clergy and Church growing up. Okay. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? I learned that from Bill. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. Why did so many look the other way for so long? It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. These are people that are in your country club. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Its about serving God. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? Hes one of the good guys. I think youre absolutely right about that. Thank you so much. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Ive even friended a few. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. Its not okay. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. That is not a matter of policy. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Jill Jill Theyve got a little bit of the guide part. At least, thats how I saw it. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. I dont know. They need accountability. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Briscoe And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Pete has offered to It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Youre absolutely right. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray What I need most is what I dont have. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. So thanks again. Nobody who is an elder at a church should have any aspect of their identity wrapped up in either the role of being an elder or in the success or failure of the organization. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe I mean, it was a great time. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. You formed a nonprofit corporation. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. I appreciate your feedback. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, I think I think thats a good word to Julie. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. You know, Willow creeks pastors family members benefit from the Penumbra of Willow Creek and its just sheer size within evangelicalism. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. But youre right. But this certainly raises red flags. Because we represent their interests. JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. I attended Willow for seven years. This is a calling. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Petes leadership at Bent Tree casts a long shadow with a legacy that will endure. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. Pete has offered to With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. And Im good friends with her husband Scott Dyer as well. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. So many people are looking the other way. Jill I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. And thats one of the things that I just come back to is that the word hypocrisy in the Greek the word that comes from that means actor. I was blown away. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. And I think you hit the nail on the head. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. Very few. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And Harvest was the same thing. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. Thank God I have Jesus. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. Fellowship, Church family, Community. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. But so far, I havent seen that. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. And I feel that way with these pastors. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. Let me give you some examples. I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? I was a member of WCCC for many years. Amen. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Okay. Hi. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? God uses the weak things of this world to confound the strong, right? Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. And yet, they lost the PR battle, which is unbelievable. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. So appreciate. 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