Williams in late February moved to have convictions overturned for 22 people convicted of felonies by nonunanimous juries, and he has plans to review hundreds more. In her statement announcing she had filed a brief in the Ramos case, she cited the practical consequences that could result from overturning cases. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. And there's a way that it changes slightly, and then there's a way that it's kind of relentless. I did high jump and the four-hundred-meter relay. His own attempt to cook for the first time again hes embarrassed to say resulted in a burnt grilled cheese sandwich. Since then, he's won a huge number of literary prizes, including a MacArthur Foundation fellowship. Terrance Hayes (born November 18, 1971) is an American poet and educator who has published seven poetry collections. That poem is also a conversation about whether you have to choose a side. Hi, Tess. of the ball and chain around . Theres some moments in David Foster Wallaces nonfiction, like Consider the Lobster, that do it. But then there are the poems that are just about feelings and about family, and maybe you dont have to have a dictionary or internet next to you. JW: And the decision is how big the table is. Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt doesnt have the same discretion as Williams. The "Racket of ascension" is emblematic of the social progress that results in the upgrading of one's social rank. That is what I value in a workshop. JW: I want to come back to how you reflect upon your own success, but first I want to ask about your relation to art. While resolution of any case that might come before the Oregon Supreme Court could take years until appeals are exhausted, the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case in December on past convictions, but a ruling isnt expected until at least July. I mean, what does he accomplish by doing this? I havent seen that prize. Eat something else. Doing that, she argued, would re-traumatize crime victims and survivors and overwhelm our states criminal justice system.. . I got letters from LSU, Clemson, UNC Chapel-Hill, but no one gave a full ride. I feel like thats something I cant do: the canvas is not big enough to fully capture consciousness in a poem. It was sort of like Walter Benjamins Arcades Project, but it wasnt working and it wasnt good, so I stopped and finished How to be Drawn. In basketball, I was fine. Menu. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. That means if youre reading a poem that has a reference to Ol Dirty Bastard, thats an academic poem, because not everybody will know who he is, and you have to go research. In 2020, the song cycle was made into a film by Opera Philadelphia and released on their digital channel. Terrance Hayes observes, "Even if you love the racket of ascension,/you must know how the power leaves you.". I was born in 71, and we had multitasking and were in the electronic age. Eliot, so the model for the poet who lives as a poet would primarily be rich white dudes. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. He understood the rhythm of a deltaFarmer on guitar in a juke joint circa 1933, as wellAs the rhythm of your standard bohemian on guitarIn a New York apartment amid daydreams of jumpingThrough windows, ballads of footwork, Monk orchestras,Miles with strings. Terrance Hayes segregate On the first morning of school there is a young tree- frog waiting patiently at the front gate. He was a Yankee and he was generally bored and impatient with everything about the South, but he liked me and he thought I was special. It gives me a way to not be limited. I was excited for folks, but I understood there was gonna be people like me who would ask for relief and have to fight to get it, Hayes said. The joke in my classes and in my household is that I am always timing and measuring everything. In fact, you were a painter before you were a poet. JW: There are more than four hundred creative writing programs in the United States. But Marys attitude is that, if you never get to eat it, youre like the cafeteria worker, which is why she does not like that kind of poetry. If the court rules in favor of allowing Ramos to apply to past cases, people like Jackson and Hayes will have a chance for a retrial. But countless defendants in Oregon have been convicted by a nonunanimous jury since the 1934 law was enacted and received their final judgment which means their cases and sentences were final. In my ignorance, though, that meant I was majoring in fine arts, and I was taking writing. I didnt know a poem could do that. I continually want to make the last poem more interesting. The reason I used them is because I could get a big box of tiles for like five dollars. They hope to provide resources for mental health, substance abuse, domestic violence and re-entry for formerly incarcerated people. I hear Jimi HendrixWas also unsure in dance despite being beautifulAnd especially attuned. than a door being knocked. Im not doing enough as an individual if Im not seeking out new experiences, new people, being challenged, being honest with who I am, or my poems are going to be stuck. On the other hand, its romantic to assume that youre going to be poor. JW: One downside with the glut of information now is that theres no stable core of references. Anybody who has sat down, as I have, to make a list of things that at any given moment could kill him knows that the possibilities are potentially endless, the anxiety correspondingly boundless. In January, Jackson was granted early release by Gov. It seems like, at midcentury, whatever limitations they had, they had a common idea of literature, which probably valued highbrow modernism, whereas now its much more disparate and up for grabs. The last poem in Hip Logic, The Same City, is about my stepdad and about the way I appreciate this man whos raised me. JW: Its hard to get around the question of jobs and the shrinkage of the academic profession. As of late January, 201 people with public defenders in Oregon had filed for post-conviction relief, and 50 of them are in Multnomah County, according to data gathered by the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. I just want to be writing, and I dont care that much if you say you love it or you hate it. Nikole Hannah-Jones (Narrator), The New York Times Magazine (Contributor), He envies poets who have the luxury of wandering into all corners of American life. What do you think universities can do? It was a room of low-residency MFA people in Tampa, and I said, Half of you are going to get what I say about abstract expressionism, cubism, Rothko, and Picasso, and half of you are going to get The Simpsons, Lil Wayne, and Future, this new rapper. Why do I have to separate those out? If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. I want us to enjoy a meal together, and I cant say its only for me, even though there is a part of meand this is what I like about Ashberythat says, if you dont like it, thats your problem. by. Employing an almost improvisational approach to writing, Hayes conjoins fluid, often humorous wordplay with references to popular culture both past and present in his subversion of . But does that mean Im only making black-eyed peas and collard greens? On the first morning of school there is a young tree- Everybody has their own weird thing, and mine is that I like books. Im interested in Shakespeare, but especially how Shakespeare is in conversation with Scooby-Doo or The Walking Dead. Hayes, who is forty-six, won the 2010 National Book Award and is a professor at N.Y.U. I knew that was my only course of action, Jackson said. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Its the right thing to do; we shouldnt wait for a court ruling to do this, association legislative director Mae Lee Browning told The Oregonian/OregonLive. I was gonna fight it until I couldnt fight anymore.. sort by. You aint allowed to derideWomen when youve never wept in front of a womanThat wasnt your mother. He attended Coker College on a basketball scholarship, but explored painting and poetry and, encouraged by an English professor there and the poet Toi Derricotte, went to the University of Pittsburgh for an MFA in Creative Writing. I dont think anybody is just a poet with no adjectives. I feel like this is true in the poetry process. Born in 1971 in Columbia, SC, Hayes's mother was a corrections officer and father a military barber. Witnessing the struggle for freedom, from the American Revolution to the Black Lives Matter movement. They sometimes say, Theres all this new work, and youre still trying to make us read these old white dudes from the canon. Last year at Yale, some students protested, saying, Why do we have to read all these white guys? In his poems, in which he occasionally invents formal constraints, Hayes considers themes of popular culture, race, music, and masculinity. They love their grandpop, Jackson said. After that, he taught in Japan, at Xavier University in Louisiana, and from 2001 to 2013 at Carnegie Mellon University. My job in the university is simple: Im a teacher. These poems all happen in the mind, which has been portioned into zones called I and you. Both assume countless different roles, but what remains constant is their reliance upon each other and their tendency to flip positions. When Id go home, all they said was, Why are you still going to school? And I would say, Youre not paying for it. Most of the time, I was going to leave. He, Jackson and hundreds like them all convicted by nonunanimous Oregon juries hope to have their cases retried after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a Louisiana case last April that such verdicts are unconstitutional. How did you get here? After Ive done a poem, then I can think about it as a piece of the puzzle and as a part of this whole thing, as opposed to writing one poem at a time, and when I get to twenty poems or forty poems, I have a book. Why only Shakespeare, when theres this other stuff thats happening? Even though I had not done that much poetry, it seemed cheaper. This is not the first time Rosenblum has stood in the way of striking down nonunanimous jury verdicts in Oregon. TAYLOR: Perpetual - yes. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. In the most general sense, my deepest ambitions are for the poem as a puzzle, as an object, as a Rubiks cube to play with. TH: Thats Baraka. My deepest ambition is always for the poem, but the growth comes from trying to not get stuck as a human being. In your first book, Muscular Music, you play with popular culture, but theres a stronger sense of self in your last two books. In your most recent work, in books like How to be Drawn, you have poems like Gentle Measures where youre figuring yourself out and thinking about fatherhood. This song cycles center on what it means to be a Black man living in America today. I have a friend whos a critic, and he said that my work was an anthem to ambivalence. "[7], In September 2014, he was honored as one of the 21 2014 fellows of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. JW: Related to art, theres been a lot of critical writing about postmodernism and different kinds of theories, and you mentioned Benjamin. But for myself, I try not to think about it too much. Like a coin toss that keeps coming up heads, iterated titles suggest an occult lucky streak bound to break. Its in Lighthead, and that poem is in conversation with The Same City, about meeting this man who is my father, where he says to me, God made nothing sweeter than pussy. The growth of the poems is very local, and when they become confessional, its because Im trying to become someone better from one day to the next, or come to terms with the ways I cant be better from one day to the next. So for basketball scholarships, it was going to be D-II or D-III, and I thought that was the only way I was going to go to school. It's like he's made these sonnets to try to contain something uncontainable. The following interview appears in the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. Id rather take a year to figure it out than have you tell me in five minutes whats wrong with it. Theyre also about identity, and some of them talk about race explicitly. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. He fears a more immediate kind of danger, which cant be aestheticized or glorified in verse. I dont want there to be a great distance between me as an individual walking down the street and in the poems, because they feed each other, and one illuminates the other. Perhaps easier to fathom is the notion that Hayes has so internalized the threat of execution that he sees his assassin in the mirror. And yet: You would be more beautiful without your fear.. Terrence Hayes (center), 37, is shown with his family in their Northeast Portland home on Friday, March 5, 2021. How can I make my students better equipped as writers or readers or whatever? TH: Me too, because theres too much affect in the fiction. Ad Choices. I could just write a poem for the fun of it, but Id spent all this time as a painter, and my art teacher, whos also passed away now, Kim Chalmers, certainly encouraged me. This thing Im writing is, after all, also called a review. My attitude is to split the difference. My sense is that the synthesis is what the university can do. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, Terrance Hayes earned a BA at Coker College and an MFA at the University of Pittsburgh. Copyright 2018 NPR. The alphabet, like the sonnet, necessitates at least some shaping and pruning. There never was a black male hysteria, a poem about Emmett Till begins, because a fret of white men drove you crazy/Or a clutch of goons drove you through Money,/Stole your money, paid you money, stole it again. In Money, Mississippi, where Till was lynched, Hayes finds in miniature the economic formula that has been scaled up successfully across America: black men are paid with money stolen from their ancestors, only to have it again taken away from them. You work on the poem, you bring it in, and people say this is wrong, heres a strategy on how to fix it. The Politics and Play of Terrance Hayes. Ive always tried to stay very focused in terms of what I need to write. To go back to your point about the later books, in Lighthead, the first poem begins with a line, I could never get the hang of Time, and the epigraph is a Borges quote from A New Refutation of Time. At some point I realized, even more than fatherhood, even more than parents, even more than race, the thing Im really obsessed with is measuring time. Anything else connected to that is just gravy. I wouldnt limit it there: I would say, yes, Im African-American; yes, Im Southern; yes, Im male; yes, Im hip-hop; yes, Im neurotic; yes, Im a bastard poet. I used to do it, but it was taking up too many of my words.) Hendrix, his blues pedigree whitewashed by hippie culture, is a powerful figure of passionate ambivalence, unsure how to dance in a way that is both black and not black. Tacuma Jackson, 46, is shown with his three granddaughters. If its unconstitutional, why wouldnt it apply? asked Aliza Kaplan, a Lewis & Clark law professor who directs the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic at the law school and has been a vocal advocate against nonunanimous jury verdicts. My approach to life and my work is not strategy. I had no sense of what kind of avenues might open up. To go back the other way, when Im talking to someone whos sixty-five, and Im making a reference to Future and saying its a song about strip clubs, Im still saying its interesting. TH: Thats an interesting question. frog waiting patiently at the front gate. To me, the conversation is done once I choose a side. The assassin takes many shapes: a stinkbug, the gang that lynched Emmett Till, a bunch of white girls posing for selfies, Donald Trump, and, unsettlingly, Hayess own reflection. Terrance Hayes (born November 18, 1971) is an American poet and educator who has published seven poetry collections. There are definitely 14 lines per poem, so that's that sonnet form that you may or may not remember from your 10th grade English class. Some defendants were retried and convicted again, while others had charges dropped or were retried and released. Her office is handling petitions for relief from Jackson and hundreds of others seeking retrials. Poetry is the end for me. If I see something is wrong, I will say its wrong. Of course I was wrong, but its become a practice that Im still trying to read as much as I can. The university space should be, ideally, a fluid space, but instead we often encounter people saying, This is at the top of the pyramid, and everything else is beneath it. I think that a good program values Language poets the same way they value Black Arts poets and confessional poets. Or maybe they wont. What we can say now is that at least there are more people with opportunities. Photograph by Gabriele Stabile for The New Yorker, The New Yorker Interview with David Remnick, American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. Its not like the basketball team. Trumpet reinforces. How can I be a better teacher? TH: The most basic one is Hegel and the dialectic. Then you'll notice the grace, the tenderness, the unblinking truth-telling just beneath his lines, the open and generous way he takes in our world. Activists want Rosenblum to act now, otherwise an answer could be months away. Jackson was still in prison when he heard about the Supreme Court ruling. But it so happens that theres something in his music that can be of interest to how we workespecially to a room of writers or people who think about language and literature. But now theres digital or social media, which people like my daughter are very aware of. TAYLOR: Well, again, it's interesting in that poem that I just read where he says, assassin, you are a mystery to me, I say to my reflection sometimes. JW: College was pivotal for you, and you work in a university. Are those our only options? When Im writing poems, I can get an immediate pleasure but still feel like theres something on the other side of that, which is what I go to novels for, like One Hundred Years of Solitude. People from the outside sometimes look at me and look at how things are going, and they say, You were very strategic. Even if you cant see underneath all of it, I know that theres a face of a boy and that Ive built it up. TH: Id majored in fine arts, and Id been encouraged as a painter for a long time, since third grade when I started in the art club, so I always thought that was something I could do. Im a dialectical thinker. I dont work like that, and I dont think thats the best way to open up ones creativity, so Im telling them that Ive gotten here by just keeping my nose an inch from the page. [6] His second collection, Hip Logic (2002), won the National Poetry Series, was a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Award, and runner-up for the James Laughlin Award from the Academy of American Poets. "You belong in our swamps not our schools!" Its powerful because its not an invective so much as a diagnosis. Its unclear how the court will rule. Terrence L. Hayes, press secretary, Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs: Prior to assuming the role of VA press secretary, Terrence Hayes served as national director of Communication and Public Affairs for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. 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